Ring 13--- Man, we were just what you did next in the day. Hardcore punk was new. We were nice -hell everyone was nice. Just a bunch of regular guys-lucky enough to be there for one of the last original time periods of rock-- we were able to hang out with our rock stars. So fun. Radio rock was so far off and untouchable. I am far angrier now- we thought things were bad then. true story-- me and my folks always had a great relationship though they didn’t understand the whole hardcore punk thing(which was another cool thing about the music) for the most part they let me be who I was and I could pretty much do as I please. Other than confiscating my “to drunk to fuck” 45(which I brilliantly played as loud as I could) they were cool. That said one summer day after a practice we recorded, I took a shower and listened to some of our new songs. After about 5 minutes my mom barged in and demanded to know who that music was by, and that I didn’t even know what those lyrics mean! Covering my junk I screamed MOM! GET OUT. Then I told her it was some band from Chicago. It was easer to lie. Hey, I was a naked 17 year old. Anyway, the true meaningful things in life seem to be lived without any knowledge of there importance. That was the case with ring 13: you like punk rock so do I--- we need a bass player, I know this kid- we could show him were to put his finger, yea I know his older brother--- here’s some new songs ,oh I’ve never written songs before but lets play these--yea I’ll cut your hair---screw you bum--paint my dick----yea lets record all our songs in a couple hours, sure!--I’ll use there drums and you just bring my tiny peavey practice amp, that should do--what’s for lunch…. The cool thing is we were good--- there wasn’t that much punk around so.. We made our own. In retrospect I think the people saw us knew more about what was going on in our music than we did --hell we were just playing. I think ring 13 showed me that there wasn’t a band I couldn’t play in. unfortunately most bands aren’t worth playing in. I’ve been lucky enough to continue playing with many “rock acts” a few have been damn worth while too.- though the innocence of what was happening in with us in 1983 through 85 can not be replicated. There’s so much more to tell. I could go on.. And maybe I will --- maybe later.